my john deere ran for 60 seconds then died, lets see what it takes to fix it and why it happened.

Hey guys and how's it going we're at the home base. Well, the time of the year has come where we have to go from one season to another and the snow season is over. So the honda is done being used. Well, it's time to go switch over to the john deere that i grabbed last year from a yard sale.

It was stored in the other garage and i went fired it up, fired up. No problem ran for about 30 seconds to a minute and then died. So it is gon na need a little bit of love. I figured we'd turn the camera on figure out what happened to it see what it takes to fix it.

Let's get set up and get into it. What i did find is you you disconnect the kill wire for the tractor. What that wire does it goes down to the coil and it grounds the coil out when the tractor wants to go shut itself down. So with that, but here's the problem going to turn the mower deck on, so there's no kill for it.

So what it does the solenoid shuts off in the carburetor? It burns up the gas and finally shuts off, but it has no mower deck, and so something else is also wrong where it is not allowing things to engage, it thinks there's something on or in the place that it shouldn't be. So that's what we got to go find out. So the first thing i'm going to look at real, quick just because they're right out in the open is we got three fuses right here. Let's go probe the back of those and see if we got power going through and see which ones actually come alive, you're sitting on top of the engine.

So if it starts up you're going for a ride, you're sitting on the fan, i'm just trying to click on to the ground with a test light, i'm going to turn the key to the on position, not crank, but just on i'm just going to back probe. These, i don't know if any of these are going to light up hold on one second put my eyeballs on and the only fuses have an area in the back, but you can tap into actually do not see those on these. That's different. Let's see if we can uh slide in on the top of the area so that one's got power going across that one's got power going across that circuit's got nothing.

I'm not quite sure what runs on that circuit, but we're not getting anything on that one. So we'll just kind of keep that one in mind i'm just gon na quick, look at the fuse itself. I don't see anything burned out, so nothing obvious is stepping out on us. That is an issue right away.

So the only thing i could think of that it would think that it is not safe to get and run. The tractor would be the seat safety. We got one right there, so you should probably probe this. Unfortunately, i don't have a meter here which can make life a lot easier.

We need to go figure out. If we got a circuit going across that and uh, i got ta figure out how we're gon na go. Do that. So what i came up with is a little battery charger right here and i got one end of the tesla hooked to the hot lead in the other end.

Soon, as you hit the ground lights to light up, i think what we're going to try and do i don't know if the switch is normally open or normally closed, i'm going to try energizing one side of it and probe the other side of it and then We're going to go push on the seat and we're going to go see if that turns on and off the only thing i can kind of come up with at the moment, but i'm going to need two hands. I'm going to put you in a stand yeah. So normally i have a full set of tools, but i got a new shop. A year ago i was going to refill this one.
So that's working. I was going to refill this one with tools, but the the woof flew had a did, a job on yard sales. Last year i was going to try to you, know, find just miscellaneous stuff are in here, so we're still working on that anyway. So we know that switch is working, that battery charger on the battery, while we had it out.

Another thing we can do is actually want to come from the hot side on the test light and that wire that we know is grounded out. That shouldn't be should light up, so we have to figure out what is causing that to do that, we must leave that hooked up. The parking brake is on that's one safety right there, that's already in place. The mower deck has another one on it.

I don't know of any other safety that is on it that would be causing it. So i may even have another issue: besides just a safety being made, because something could have uh. You know mice, all that kind of thing. Let's go get her up in the air, we'll take a peek underneath see we can find back over by the seats there's.

One thing i want to do. We know that the seat for to have a signal is a normally closed signal. You pushed on it and it completed the circuit, so i'm just going to go, bend up a little. What piece of wire we're going to go across that for now? Just so the seat is eliminated out of the circuit.

I'm gon na stab myself in the finger! Nothing saying we don't have a break in that wire somewhere, but i just wanted to eliminate that all right now, let's pick it up in here, i'm gon na use my cell phone for light. So we got one switch right here. That is the brake pedal, see if we see anything else on anywhere how much room to get in there is there anything you think of two? Is it sometimes they'll have a if you have an external shoot on the deck there'll be a switch to make sure that the uh guard is in place? I didn't see anything wired down to that, though, like this has a external blower on it. I do know we have a relay on the other side and that plug looks like it might be a little on the separated side too.

Doesn't it that white one down there so whatever it is, is also not allowing the mower deck to turn on? That's that fuel shut off wire, that is the other wire of the of the two that are up here. I doubt that would be our issue, we'll just give a quick little squeeze on that. Now. That's not our problem.

It's just some giggles! Let's go disconnect that so the key is on. That is the feed for the carburetor that lead that turns on and off the solenoid. You hear that that one's working we're just going to go quickly. You know plug a few things and see if anything kills that power, not exactly the most scientific again we're just quickly.
Looking for anything that jumps out at us all right, i need two hands and i can probably be able to see. There's one more black lead here. We're gon na go disconnect that one and all i'm doing i'm just trying to find. If there's a circuit, the circuit, that's contributing to it and that one does let's go see where that goes to when it has a low oil shut off.

Where did that go it's coming right here, oh she's, going around the block! That's where it's getting its ground from that would make sense just grounding that out. So there warranties it doesn't have power. Let's go! Try taking that out of the circuit. It does nothing so we're pretty much down to.

We've got an ignition switch problem too, and i was going to say that we, our relay that's down there, but possibly there's ignition switch failure. It doesn't even the light doesn't even go out when i unplug the ignition switch, so that is a fail. Okay get that back in while we're at it. Let's go quickly, unplug see if we lost any other component, sorry about the wiggly cam again, just one handed stuff: let's go: try the one for the ptl nope still grounded we're gon na go.

Try the other two try those two right there. One is an hour meter and the other one, i'm pretty sure what this one is go up. Yes, it did so whatever that is up top contributes to the circuit, because our light is out nothing that's what our problem is. Let's go figure out what this is running up here.

I don't see anything to you so, unfortunately, with newer machines, you have electronics. I don't think this is going to be any different because that's like a 10-pin connector, that's going up and i don't know if that's a little ecu. I have a feeling: that's what it's going to be, let's see if we can get that screw out of there drop that down, take a peek at it. So so we had inside there a little controller that little box opens up.

No, i don't see so i have a feeling that this is probably our failure. Unfortunately, it probably you ties into each of the safeties and telling it not to work it was running like i said it ran for about 30 seconds for a minute and then it died, and then it would wouldn't we crank crank just wouldn't start, and when i Looked into it didn't, have spark pulled the wire off and then it allowed it to have spark and it would run normal again. You just can't turn the mower deck on. So i'm gon na go look into getting one of those and see what the issue is with that, but i'm willing to bet that is going to be my culprit.

I'm going to go! Look around give a quick look over some of the other stuff on the tractor, but there's not much left behind that can cause what it's doing so i plugged it back in and our light is on. I want to try one last thing that fuse that is dead down there. So now this is the other end. This is hooked uh hot.
I want to see if we have a ground signal, we do. We have ground and ground going through that. So these two are hot. The bottom one is ground.

It makes a completes, a circuit for ground making sure i've covered all my bases, i'm gon na go and plug the power meter. Try to all right, let's go for it, that's not it and we have the other switch that we have on the circuit is for the on off switch for the motor, that's unplugged and still the lights on. So everything is telling it not to start there's nothing allowing it. I just have the key on.

Nothing is allowing it to make the signal until i unplug this hey guys it's a few days later, and we got ourselves a new computer for it. It's a updated part number from what the other one was. They superseded it. Let's go plug that in see cures our woes.

How was that? How was that sydney remember? You should remember. You just saw it a second ago, something like look at it good place for a tie, wrap like that. Let me go with that. If not it's, where it's going now see, we get i'm so confident we're even gon na plug the seat back in all right choke, more decks on so yeah yeah.

Oh there you go well guys. I was planning on making a video showing how to troubleshoot safeties on the tractor, and you know what they cause: what how to go about finding what one does what and what might be the culprit, and, unfortunately, that was not the issue with this one. It ended up just being the computer. I was charging it up when this had happened again.

It was, you know, sitting for four or five months and then finally went to go fire it up. The battery was dead, went to go crank, it was dead, almost dead. It would almost crank over, but wouldn't make it over. The hill threw it on the charger for about a half hour came back later, fired it up, ran for about a minute, or so i disconnected the battery charger at that time and then about a minute later.

Is when it died and cut out and wouldn't restart so did the charger have something to do that? I'm pretty much going to say yes either the fact that the battery was too low or the voltage was too high, spiked it and took out that little cpu unit. That was in there nope my 92 mistake and uh lesson learned, and you know, maybe just somebody kind of figured out how things work into the seat, safety and some of the other stuff. How to try to diagnose. It wasn't exactly the best explanation how things go, because it was not the problem on this tractor, but uh.

That's what i got a little impromptu video at the home garage. Some people are missing. It is where we made about the first thousand. Videos was in this shop and again it's very uh, stripped out from all the tooling that i used to have other than a couple of toys that are still in it compressors still in here.
The lifts are still in here, but uh, hoping for yard sale season to score some more tools, there's not much hand tools in that toolbox over there. It's really uh on a a low budget kind of thing, but hopefully i can fill in enough just to have some tooling here at home to once in a while any home projects. I can go. Do a video on you can do it right here with that guys, i'm babbling and go shut up now.

Thank you. All for watching kind of hanging out with me have a little bit of fun, wrenching in the old garage and we'll do it again. Sometime soon until then later bye, oh so, what i think is happening. Each circuit is working like it should, and it tells it to go back to this brain here and then his brain in turn tells the um.

That's. Why he's flipping out? So there goes the neighborhood she's a joy to live with huh.

By Mustie

12 thoughts on “Runs Like a Deere? Nope,”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars R.C.D. Creations says:

    The first thing i would do is get rid of it! Its a lawn tractor, its purpose is to cut grass, don't need all that computer crap screwing everything up like they did to automobiles, KISS (keep it simple stupid) Great video as usual.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ronald Heit says:

    I was screaming "clean those connector pins.
    There green with corrosion.
    That's were you problem is most likely.
    I use DeoxIt gold anti-corrosion products for corrosion like that
    They have a high temp (red) and normal gold temp version of them.
    Great on boats and motor vehicles.
    I use it on arcade and pinball games, Jukeboxes and other electronics.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mike dee says:

    Good vid…thanx. I just bought a dirt cheap JD G100, and I hope it does not have any sort of computer control that is going to crap out and cost me money for no good reason………the question is, what does it control and can it be eliminated….I am guessing that it doesnt control the carb, except for the fuel solenoid (not fuel injected)…and I believe the engine has a mag, so it does not control timing……so its all about safety system control…..right?
    I have grass to mow, and the first thing to go is the deadman switch…

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ckhallock88 says:

    The module you replaced was just a relay module, no computer parts per se. (Its the interlock module) Its full of relays to take the inputs (safeties) and control the outputs (fuel flow / PTO etc). Its then fully potted in epoxy to keep moisture out.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Riley's Junkyard & Petting Zoo says:

    Your videos have got me addicted to small engines. Started watching like 2 weeks ago and since I got my dads JD L120 running after a few years, got a free MTD 300E that had a bad needle. And got a toro blade override for 40$ and the bolt that holds the clutch on needed tightened.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Phouvong Sikhounmuong says:

    I have an old toro xl model it’s 13/38 cut would you have camshaft, timing gear and slinger around your shop I can’t get those parts any more. Please let me know. Thanks

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jorge fernandez says:

    I liked the video. I can imagine how loud that howl was that you could hear it through the garage wall and down the street. At least it wasn't at 3am or at your house.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars GuerrillaRadio says:

    Welp, my 2004 model has good old fashioned safety switches that are easily repaired with super glue and duct tape to hold them down until the super glue cures. Still runs to this day. This is only getting worse.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Gord Baker says:

    I thought you had Green Crusties on that last connector but likely Dielectric grease. There is also the connection to the Electric Clutch. New, that would be $6,000 in Canada. My X320 with no blower was over $5k in 2010

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars yeahitskimmel says:

    I hate when the you get to the problem part and it's just a black box you throw away and replace all of because one component sealed inside went bad

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars J B says:

    when I saw it was an x300 that had no spark I knew exactly what was wrong. I have been a lawn and garden tech at a john deere dealer for 28 years and I have replaced hundreds of those modules. deere says the failures are caused by jump-starting but I think it's because the modules are garbage.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Peter Crivello says:

    The old garage looks really cozy! Perfect place to work in comfort and with a clear mind.
    Awesome end of the video too. It’s a real adrenaline pumper listening in on someone’s old lady going off! I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of that.

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