I was given this 13 hp honda clone engine for free to use on a go kart build but the more we ran it the louder it got. lets tear it down and see what happened, i've never seen this happen before.

All right let's see if a a valve adjustment and putting mud in it helped that it all. I'm not giving that much hope but let's go see chokes on should go. Got got to rev her up a little bit. got to warm up a little.

It's not terrible but I do think we need to kind of keep an eye out for another one. we can continue to build it. Thing is we have to find another engine that's going to be the same as this. Put our fuel bottle in there it is.

Yeah it's getting louder. Too bad it would sound awesome. It wasn't making that noise far as the rest of it. it's pulled out too soon.

Think that did it. think she's done. Oh maybe not. Hey guys, and how's it going? We're going to continue on this little miniature Doom buggy that we were in the process of building.

Quick backstory: it was three different pieces put together I Got a fiberglass dumy Shell at um I'm going to call it a Volkswagen uh property sale I thought it was a cool shell and then I went to a swap meet and we got the chassis. The chassis is kind of like a YF dog and we were in the process of trying to marry the two of them together plus an engine that was given to us by another friend who uh, hooked us up with some other stuff in the past. He was at a recycle center and found this I Want to say it's like a 13 horse? um Honda knockoff engine and we've been modifying it. We made an exhaust system for it, got rid of the original gas tank and original intake and carburetor and put a motorcycle carburetor on it Again, made an intake manifold for it and then on the last video we were running it trying to you know spinning the back tires and all that.

and as it was running the more it ran the more started knocking. So the engine is I do believe going kaput so that's got an issue. So I didn't know where to go, was kind of hanging out for a little bit there. uh Thanksgiving kind of came and went and Harbor Freight had sales on their engines and this is one of theirs that they have.

It is the it's actually even bigger. it's a 420. I think the engine that we were playing with was like a 340 or 370 something along those lines. So I think this one's like 13 to 15 horsepower.

Uh it may be what we fall back on but uh this has electric start and a charging system which would be nice. You be able to go right from the panel and hit a button and uh have it fire up. Problem with it is where the electric start is which is behind that white piece of foam right there has the electric start and then the keypad is uh going to be in the way. We're real close to the firewall on the Uh Jun buggy right now so this is going to be in a way we'd have to do some modifications moving forward after I had picked that up a friend of mine Kevin Bon he runs a YouTube channel.

uh he does like a lot with small motorcycles is his thing. A lot of Kawasakis I think is his favorite and he said hey, I got this old pressure washer that has a Honda engine on it which is kind of like the same scale as what we are using. the same kind of footprint and if you want it you can have it. uh this is all we know about it.
He we tried to fire it up at his house, it wouldn't run but I thinking we'll try to get this one up and running, we have the Predator one up there as a backup if it doesn't and I have another project that that can get used for. so I'm not. you know, too concerned about that. Um, but let's go see if we can strip this one down, get it running, see how it looks for us, possibly get it on the Doom buggy, swapping the pieces that we made over to the other one.

Hopefully that works out for us and you'll get that one spinning the rear axle again and possibly I'm not sure where the video goes. Maybe we'll tear into that engine and see what blew up on it all right without further. Ado Let's get that up on a bench and start getting into getting this one to run the while I was at his house I was trying to start it and it would not do so. Let's go give it another shot.

that's Full Throttle Choke gas is already on. that's choke on the on off switch is in the on position. Let's give it a kick. Good she lives.

That was easy. Yeah, we were out there, yanked it a bunch of times. we weren't getting anything, possibly could have flooded it. So let's um, start stripping off some of the goodies that are on here.

Let's get the pump out of our way and see what the input shaft looks like and hopefully it's a, um going to work for us. I'm trying to think of a fancy word conducive. Let's go with that. I Think it has a hole looks like for the set screw that's up in the top of it.

Can we get this handlebar out of our way? I'm going to get this out of our way. We'll take a peek down the center of that and we'll get these four bolts off so you can get that pump out of our way. And what we have for an input shaft output shaft. Maybe actually cut this up for a front bumper.

Let's about the right width. Need a back one too. It looks like whatever it used for a set screw, it's missing. It's not even there.

I Don't know if it fell out or just not. Was never anything in there. Let's go take those four bolts off and we'll see what happens. The chances that's just going to wiggle right off of there.

Pretty good. Nice. You think that is a 1in shaft? You think that's the same? Let's go measure that up. It might be.

Looks a little little smaller than what was on the other one is it's like one. it's one in good. CU I Think that's what the clutch is that we have over there. Let's um, get some of the junk off of it.

We get the G get rid of the gas tank, get rid of the muffler, and the uh, carburetor set. Let's get all this stuff off of here. and uh Whittle it down to the size of the engine that we need. This one's at 270 C's which I think comes out to like what is that nine or 10 horse? It's still planning for what we're trying to make that out of our way.
and let's get the exhaust system off. next. they look like they just want to fall right off. Sometimes this surprises you, though most of the time it doesn't, Sometimes it does.

Let's go. well. look at that. two for two, All right.

Might have another bracket holding it. Nope. Oh yeah, right there. A little tiny one.

You didn't say nothing. You watched me struggle with it now. would do it. Now we're in whittling her down.

Let's um. I'm going to unbolt it from the the chassis of it. but and we'll put it. h I get another cart, we'll put it next to it and then we'll bring the chassis up.

We'll put the two inches next to each other just making sure. Apples to Apples think I Sat out in the rain a little bit I flipped it around inside. she's bleeding. Black Water I Got them sitting next to each other, kind of eyeballing them.

See if you see anything looks a little different. See the valve covers are different. This one's actually a little bit more shaved off on the back side of it. You know everything's in the same locations.

Hopefully the you know the the bore spread of the carburetor and the exhaust manif fall look the same and height of it for some. To me it just like looks a little smaller in general might be just an optical illusion. Plus that you know the pull starts bright yellow on that one. Maybe it's giving it that that look of a little bit larger.

We want to find out. Let's get that one unbolted. We'll shove this system up on there and we'll you see if everything kind of lines up and what we got. space between the clutch and the sprocket is roughly two fingers, so we'll see if that kind of maintains itself.

Might be just an optical illusion. out with the old yeah, and in with the new see if our bolt pattern. The base of the engine is smaller, but I don't think it matters to us I Thought it looked a little off on scale. You can see where I marked it off before where where I carved and marked off where the block was.

The other block came out there here, but it seems like the holes might still be okay. Let's go. Uh, get that clutch on there and see if we got that clearance. It looks like it's sitting lower, doesn't it? You saw the same distance you said two fingers before, right? it's low.

It's sitting lower a little. It actually might work out for us because who knows we're going to have for chain adjustment. But um, the engine was having a little bit of problem. kind of clearing the fiberglass that was around there.

so maybe this one It Bolts down and everything kind of lines up might just suit us fairly decent. I'm going to take a little time I'm going to throw some bolts in it and try to lock everything down a little bit and we'll see what we got. We'll throw the uh Muffler back on it and the carburetor from the other one and we'll see how she does I don't see anything standing out right away saying no, go the fiberglass shell I'll just clear that got get rid of that switch. Did we grind something off the other engine? Thought we grind something off that had a clearance issue.
Yeah, that nub right there. do we have that on this one? So wherever that round startle boss would be, Yeah that we ground that off right there. Let's get her bolted up and see how she looks. Yeah I think that other engine sat a little wider too because I have the clutch and we got about a good inch that the shaft is in.

We could lock it down to that, but it's looking like as far as PL in the chain too should be all right. should be able to do the same we did before with the washer. shimmy it up! I'm going to take the clutch, flip it around and see if um, we can line up with the sprocket. If not, I can probably kick this in more and the sprocket is movable on the axle too.

We can kind of walk it and dial the two of them in. Let me go play with that a little bit, just want to show the difference. We leave a flush. I Going get away with just right where it is like that.

he's he's bailing. he stopped, he saw you know we're watching him. Okay, make a run for it, he even show up. There he goes, he's he's repelling now I'm out of here.

Don't blame him. Got get rid of all the studs that were in there. You got bolts going back in. same thing on the carburetor.

we got to those out. Also these didn't put up as much of a fight. the other ones were painy ass Honda Quality right there. Both of the muffler on and you can see.

Something's definitely skinnier because here's the old Mount pretty engine. We got about a about a/ inch Gap in between there. So I if the muffler yeah you know what, you can even see it too cuz like where where I made the tailpipe tips you're centering it over that they are no longer in the middle. But if I didn't tell you, you probably wouldn't know.

Might be able to make a maybe a shim up inside here. kind of kick it over just a hair. Let's get that carburetor on. that's the one.

the more important one. see if it bolts up to that fling Inge Moment of Truth man ID So much smaller. Get rid of the O-ring because the other one had different manifold. Come on.

All right, let's some that gasket can get opened up that doesn't even match the the bore size of that. Let's go. just kind of wonder if we could steal from something to make it. Yeah, that and that are definitely not the same size.

Let's get the one off the other engine see if it's got a little bit better less restriction. There's that one show. Put them side by side. Yeah, two different throats that are on it.

That one wants out of here, so let's go with that if it fits. the gasket is too small I'm going to go open that up. you know what? Let's thr it together with the other one that was on there the original one and we'll see how it runs and then we'll kind of get back to this later because it's easier to not have to put the material back on. We're making new gasket cuz we opened it up right.
We got our buttoned up decently I ended up moving the sprocket over I think I had to go that way about an eighth of an inch or so. quarter inch not far and that's flushed it. The clutch is on flush with the crank. other than you, the exhaust we see on an angle intake seem like it is okay so far and the only other is the uh pull start.

The index of the pull start is kind of going this way. we're going to need it to go out that way, but that's no big deal I think we're all right I Got a screwdriver in my pocket to tweak it a little bit and our fuel is filled up to right at the tape we another we have another fuel bottle to ready to have it rock and roll so let's go give her some enrichment I think that is I think that's on right there I'm not sure. Let's give her a couple of Yanks see how she fires up fire come shooting out of it. Got a Red Bull on the high side.

let's um, choke it again I was going to try dialing it in St it sounds much better. Pretty good. We'll let it warm up a second. We'll start turning it down.

see how low idle there's a decompression valve built in So Eventually, if you slow it down enough, it's going to hit that decompression and die. You'll hear it. It'll make like a clanking noise. The other Ed was puffing smoke out.

too real bad. yeah, did you hear it Go the uh de compression kick in. Let's go give her put you back in the stand. Sounds good I like it.

We're back to where we were without knocking w might have used up all its gas. Let's go see the other thing too. That intake might be a little on the long side. it might be causing some issues a little.

RPM does want to fart and kick back a little bit. that carb may be having some issues with it I see it is overflowing so I think the needle seat keeps getting stuck. We had that that was a new carb too. We had that problem on the other one.

Let you see it, that might be an issue all right. so we know close enough we got that part going. We may have to deal with a carb uh, setup a little bit more, but we are back to functioning the clutching. Everything seems like it's doing what you're supposed to be doing.

It stops when it stops and goes when it wants to go. And for adjustment we have I'm putting washers underneath the back of again and kind of kick it up a little bit cuz you don't have any uh, room to slide back and forth cuz it's pretty much dead center over the over the axle. so moving it this way or that way is not going to do anything. Let's um, slide this to the side for a little bit and let's go take the other engine I want to dissect it and see what happened to it and see if we can see what caused the failure again.
we don't any backstory on it. It was something in a pretty much a free pile and it seemed like it now that I looked back at it, it did seem a little noisy at first and it was getting noisier. Let's go swap them around and go air out the shop a little bit. We'll get that other engine up on the bench and let's do a little dissection.

So on the last video we uh, drain oil out of it and I have that sitting behind me. Then we put this stuff in it which was like a heavyweight I Want to say it was like a 50 weight we put in there just to see if it would get any quieter. Let's go see what we get for. Metalica Yeah, not thick oil at all.

We'll let that piss out and go tilt it up on an angle. We'll see if we get any more metal bits out of it. Definitely looks better than the first stuff that came out so far. but I'll bring you back.

Probably should let it breathe, huh? Give somewhere for air to come in? Make any difference? No, All right. I'm going to go tilt that and we'll let it piss out. How about make it come out of both holes? Oh the jokes. Yeah, she's looking a little funky down there.

I know you can't see it and I can't let go to make it look different I'm going to drop the whole thing in the pan. Pan's going to flip up in the air. Oil everywhere. Yes I've done it.

You get all done with something and uh you're didn't spill a drop and you're walking back with the oil pan. You wipe out where you. you put it to somewhere on the side and you clip it and you knew you should have moved it. To begin with that.

anything else coming out of the bottom? No. let's go do a a side by side on the two of them. that was. that was new oil that went in there and it's definitely showing signs of the uh, the rainbow.

plus the darkness of it. Again, that would it run. We ran it 5 minutes, maybe right? So this is the one that we initially changed the day. and like you say, you wiggle around.

you kind of see the little metal bits, the color changing in it. This is the one that we just did and it's pretty much the same thing. So whatever's going on is going on sometimes. I've even seen more than that.

You know some of the lawnmowers you take apart, Man, it really gives you that aluminum rainbow. Let's go put those to the side and let's start getting that side cover off the engine. There got s a nice little desk job. Let's go buzz the bolts out of the side cover actually.

I Don't know if I can't think of anything right now that would hold that on there. Go find out. Sounded good? Let's go. Um, get ourselves a light and take a peek at what's going on.

You can see anything I Don't see anything jumping out right away. Let's go check the rod. I Don't see any heat. she was clacking all right.

So this is a I believe a counterbalance shaft on this one just kind of takes out some of the shakiness that might be able to pull right out of there. there. Go I don't see anything with that that'll have a Time timing mark on it too. just counters the shake that the Uh single cylinder makes.
I Don't see it's sludgy, but it's not I Would expected to see more metal on the bottom for the amount of noise it was making. Uh, this is the oil shut off. This is a like a float that's in here if the oil level goes down too low. It has goes to the side and has a wire that goes up right here and it grounds out, essentially grounds out the coil and stops it from having spark and shuts it down before it can blow up so that was in place.

I I Wouldn't think that it ran low on oil for its issues. Let's um I don't know if we can get it. Let's see if we can get a cap off of this. we could turn it to where it's more, get to the bolts, probably take the spark plug out, make it easier.

has a Dipper on it for oil? That's what this is down here. so it doesn't have an oil pump. it just uses a Dipper which kind of like safy. Oil levels should be right about.

where's the fill? The oil level is probably like right here. The gears are kicking oil up and spinning around and this on the rod dips down into the oil and causes it to Splash Sometimes there's a hole in them and the hole gets pressure fed with oil fed up to the cap. Also see how the L it goes. Yeah, see how L that gets dipped into the oil? let's um that look like 10 mm I know if this got Keepers on or not? Let's go see if we get a 10 mm wrench on those and crack that cap loose and see if we get take a look at the bearing.

could be on the upper side of it too or it could be a mystery. We'll grab a 10 mm. We'll try a wrench first. can't see? yes you can see a little bit.

What if we can get away with getting the Piston out through the bottom without taking the Uh cylinder head off. if we can get that cam out and that crank out might have enough room to come out I Trying to figure out what the smoke all the smoke was from too. like what was causing that I think I think of with the smoke is possibly it was kind of open though. there's a breather on the vard I Thinking like maybe the crank case was building pressure and it was pushing oil by the Rings cuz it looks really clean inside.

Should we do one of those those videos with the what's the left of we put it back together and uh leave it with no oil, see how long it can run for. make bets. I would have to do it beforehand though because You' be able to tell the video is 20 minutes long. you would know it lasted like 18 minutes.

So this is going to show us what's going on inside that cap. kind of scoring or anything. Come there, we go What we got. so there's no bearing.

It's using the surface itself as a bearing does have like a weird choppy p pattern to it. I Did expect I did definitely expect to see worse than that. We go see the crank doesn't feel terrible. All right.
Can we get cam shaft out of it? Uh so the C the cam has, um, the lifters. The valves are pushing on the lifters and causing drag on it. So up inside here the valve covers up here and to uh, connect. um, push rods coming down to lifters that are right behind here.

Well, the valves have pressure. At least one of them has pressure on it pushing on the lifter which is pushing against the cam. Let's get the valve cover off. We'll back the Rockers off and get that out of the way.

We had adjusted the valves too because we thought possibly there was some like a valve train noise. It see all right. let's get them right off. That should get rid of that pressure we were talking about.

You see anything in here too? Fny if they had like a bent push rod or something. Looks all right. Smokey's on us, he's in. Hot Pursuit Yeah they look like right? Let's get them out of there Now that cam the lifter still May fight us I'm not sure where they are in their orientation.

There we go, we're in. So when I was talking about a um, decompression valve, that's this right here. There actually looks a little funky. so it's got like a set of you see got a set of fly weights as the cam shaft spins.

It allows this to get in and out of the way of holding the valve open longer and it let's de lets the compression be lower so that when you're trying to pull start it, you're not trying to push through all the compression and that's it's there. Soon as you rev it up that comes out of the way and compression goes to full pressure that goes back down and hits but the end of that looks a little funky to me. Doesn't that look like it's flip it around so this light gets there right. Look a little weird to you, like how the end is kind of rolled off like that.

I'm not going to uh say that's it but uh, we'll keep that in mind. Let's get the lifters out of it. That looks okay. let get you a little closer.

There you go. Anything with that shaft looks a little funky. the other one is the exhaust is the intake. One's got kind of like a weird pattern, weird wear pattern.

A little bit should be the same. I Don't think there's any difference on them. all right? Can we get that? we can push that Rod up we go to get that crank out of it. goes up far enough out of our way, might have enough room to get the crank right out of it.

Oh, you know what? I I Got the flywheel on the other side, yet jump in the gun a little bit and uh, possibly we might be able to pull pull the Piston right down out of it. So let's get the Um. we got to get the flywheel off. let's go spin it around.

I Got to do a little de gutting of it. Okay, get rid of the pull start, get the Rockers out of our way. Let's look at them real quick. I Don't see anything standing out.

Let's get that we're going to need a big impact gun to get that off. I'm going to I'll take it back in a second. Let me. I'll get the cover off and we'll get into getting this flywheel off of here.
You don't see anything that was hitting the coil. Got to get that big ass socket. we throw that back on there. Got to.

Let's get a screwdriver behind it. put a little pressure on it. We'll give it a whack with a hammer. she should pop off on us.

Lay that go. I Don't see anything falling apart on that and I don't see any rub marks on anything. All right, let's go flip it back around. I'm going to go clean up the bench a little bit.

We'll uh, flip it back around. We'll take that crank out all right. I Don't see anything immediate. that looks pretty good.

see if we can get that I Don't know if it's we're going to have enough for to get it out of there, but we'll give it a shot. Let's go feel the rod first. Didn't feel bad the Rings are stuck. that's kind of squired on that side the this top ring.

I Don't know if it's going to show up. There was four diagonal lines going across it right there and then there's a bunch of scoring all through here anymore. See if we see anything else funky now just that one spot. try to hold them in place.

we'll get some of the oil off. Hopefully you could see that would suck if I hel that down too low. Let me, uh, get you get you a little closer to the action? All right only. I See again, is that scoring right there? Where those marks on the Rings go is.

on the other side he got some piston slap that was happening. Nothing terrible I don't see those lines anymore if I rotated the ring where it's uh, was my imagination I saw like four distinct like chevron pattern lines on there. What else can we look at? the rod that's looks fine both Clips in they are. The wrist print wasn't moving out I am not seeing signs of um, we're a little too close I the upper showing some not terrible I think um, we'll have to take the cylinder head off to uh, look at the uppers.

Anything else you want to look at while we're here? the PE inside. let's go the Governor. look at that. so the governor works.

It's got three fly weights on it. These three right here look kind of dirty. Inside of that looks pretty dirty, huh? And as the I think it comes off of what's it running off the crank Yeah, it's running off the gear of the crank. As the crank spins faster, these weights fling to the outside.

if it goes to over rev, it pushes out the center and then that is this Leop right here which is hooked up to the governor and that just backs off the throttle. So you have input from the throttle here. Whatever you want to set the RPM at by moving this lever, but it has a spring to kind of take up, give it, give it. Flex I don't know if that's the best word for it and that's tied into the governor shaft and then there's the metal rod that goes back to the carburetor.
It's not on here now and That's goes direct it would be from up here directly to the throttle and that would actually be what works the throttle. But if it's starting to go to over rev so you pull real hard on it you want? Full Throttle But this starts revving too high and the little weights start coming out like that. it pushes it as it, uh, revs too high. It in turn pushes and turns the throttle back off some.

no matter how much you're pushing it, it governs it from over revving. That's what its purpose is. See, it's doing its thing there. although having some like weird like dirt pattern behind it I Don't see anything can take it off of there.

It's going to fight us. No, it's got a clip on the inside holding it or something. Again, we're still trying to find something that be making noise. you know, making the clacking that we saw H It's definitely not obvious yet.

Let's um, get the let's look at the top of the Piston Was there anything like that went bouncing? I See a weird little Nick right there. If it sucks something in, it's something that's just whacking on the top of the Piston right? You think it would be more than that one little spot there though. Let's um, get the cylinder head off. So we're going to take this sheet metal off the outside.

I Think we just have four bolts. It should allow us to take this whole thing right off of there. We pop you back in the stand and a little little more dissection. Just pop right off of there.

Might need a whack. Forget anything look pretty good I don't see anything. set that down there. Peek at that boar.

I don't think I blew a head gas or nothing either. Plus there was smoking too. was the other part of it All right. Got a score going down that side over there.

A little rusty too if it's sat for a while. I don't see any blowouts in the head gasket. I'm looking around, you see a little bit of something right here, but I don't think that's much of an issue. Some Brak clean probably wouldn't hurt either.

Yeah the boore is all messed up. Hold on magnets are playing with us. Side's kind of beat too. so I I would say maybe the smoking was just stuff getting past the Rings there cuz the boar is just so beat up.

Okay, will this help us so I think I don't know if water got in it or it sat for a long period of time something happened. Look at the big SC scratches that are right there too and that's that's where it's was kind of pushing oil. I would say the camera getting it that one right there but the knocky kind of sound I I I just don't see what would cause that clacking. Let's go take a look at that P again see if we can see unfortun.

I like those rings I think they kind of rotated on us a little bit. There's a like a really funky Rusty spot right there which is weird I wonder if something was? Just let's go look at that piston. look at that cylinder head first. Let's just see if we see anything.
that's uh, it doesn't look like anything was dancing around inside there. Well I was thinking of like you know, like a hunk of carbon or little piece of metal or because I think when we got this the air cleaner, it didn't have an air cleaner on it. and I you know, sometimes there's not much clearance between the top of the piston and the Um cylinder head and if something does get on top it'll It'll make a hit every time. Where's the Piston what' you do with it? You see that little? that's the only thing I see is that little dot right there.

but there's nothing I don't see anything that's kind of countering that can we orientate it correctly. So this would be going be the cylinder head like that and the arrow faced down so it would be the spark plug. The spark plug lines up right with that. Let's go look at the spark plug.

IM You had the wrong plug in it and it was hitting. Wouldn't that be a kick in the ass? That's the plug. That would be roughly where that is. but how they that would have to be super long.

I should look up the plug and see see if that's the right part number on it. Let's go see how far it reaches. I Don't think the Piston goes up that far though. it does line up to where that would be.

you know it's just too far away. I don't know. Maybe that's just like a little pre-ignition spot or something. You know where it was kind of getting cleaned off from from touching it.

The plug gap isn't pushed down and we we don't know what happened to this thing before us. That's weird. All right. Well I'm going to I think contemplate a little bit I said I I did see those the marks on those rings I don't know if I lost it or what I or I mentally lost it I'm going to go clean this up real quick and we'll see if there's anything we can see on here.

but I I've taken engines apart where? well, it's kind of. That whole thing is kind of rusty, but like as far as scoring and smoke dumping, pumping smoke out which is oil, get past the rings, that oil ring doesn't have much spring to it. It doesn't seem like it's doing very much, but I don't know, that just might that might G Yeah. First day with this mouth.

That might be just the amount of, um, tension that it had on it or it's just. or the oil rings just wore out. See if we can pick one of them off there sandwich there is for depth how much I wonder if that wheel ring is gone off chance you're going to put it back together? I don't want to thrash it so there's like an upper and a lower. and then there's the uh.

the spring in the center is like the spreader. there's where's that one? there it is. Come on, get all funky. Yumy.

It's like a piece of pap paper something. It's got a bunch of staining on it, huh? Black crud coming out of that. and let's get the that a h of metal right there. What's that? That's a little piece of metal right there.
I'm going to go take some break there. rinse this off. we'll take a peek that's a little better looking to see if. I see those chatter marks that I saw I think it's it I don't see it.

must have been just like oil or something that was on it that was making like a weird pattern. but it definitely is. uh, chewed up as far as the the Piston but not terrible and insid. So I think what we saw that with that little piece of aluminum was just a piece of the skirt blowing apart.

You can see where it's going right there. looks like it was binding on the um the C Cinder wall. There something with up there. the little pieces of aluminum were coming out.

So the metal that we were saw metal that we we were saw metal that we saw was probably this stuff right here starting to go away. So I think maybe it just sat for a long time. Maybe we got water in it would be my guess. it had water in it and as we were running it it started to just chew itself up and then it just started blowing by and then you know that's where the smoke was coming from.

The oil was passing right through it right there. Still the noise has me a little perplexed like why would it make that knocky sound? Let's um, going to bolt the Uh Rod back up to the uh crank guys. got to stop seeing it so close we're bumping in each other. Let's go throw the bolts back in the cap in there.

we'll see how much play we got in there. So I was trying to figure out what would cause those two marks. like you could literally drag and catch a nail on them all the way up. It's really bad right there.

Only thing I So I line the piston up to how that would have been orientated in the boore and it has like those two lines right there. that one and that one line up with it again the the Rings have rotated on me. so I don't know if we could find anything on that. My guess is something got stuck between maybe between the two rings and was bouncing back and forth and maybe made a little bit of noise each time it changed Direction it kind of shifted up and down.

That's the only thing I see so far. but you know kind of looks out of the ordinary. Yeah other than the board looking like from the uh, the corrosion see what? I'm looking at. see it there? you kind of way to light it up now.

Big scratches right there. So second all the vice so you can kind of give it a feel I don't feel anything I don't think that feels about normal for me. For play, side to side is fine, maybe a hair on the sloppy side you would use a um, it's called a plastic GAE You would bolt it together and run it down and the plastic gauge will squeeze out and you measure it'll tell you how much clearance you have in between there. I'm not seeing anything.

well I see the little scratches that were in there. That weird kind of pattern was knocking I Don't know. No. Well guys.
having said that, um, welcome to listen to your opinions. If anything I miss anything you see that I did not see. just check that's a little noisy. Feel free to speak up.

that's kind of noisy is not made very precisely. Now is it h that it's quieter. Where's the cam shift? The only thing I see that we talked about was that weird like weird rub mark on that decompression lever and that may even be normal. but I don't know.

well guys I had a few minutes to kind of like diagnose and look over things and spin bearings and try to see if I can find anything that would cause any other kind of noises that would uh be unsuspecting and I am just not seeing anything I I don't know. Only thing I saw was on that cam the cam that decompression lobe with that weird kind of like wear mark on it on the edge. other than that you possibly that thing was going around tinking on something that it shouldn't have been I don't know what that would have been though. what that come the tip you know the crankshaft.

Little more investigation. One thing that we did see I forgot to go look back at was one of the push rods was hitting causing that line to go around it and the only thing that lines up with is I don't know if that's a keeper like what what the purpose of this plate is for but I wonder if um so side was that on was on the exhaust side which is that side right? Wrong. so this is the exhaust side that making contact the stroke on there you definitely see it was hitting. So here's my thought.

when don't we uh throw a hone in there we'll kind of take a look at that boore. the the hone will show like where all the highs and Lowe are. you can see all the pitting and the Damage that's that's on that boore now kind of looks actually looks worse from the other side the camera picks it up. you looking inside, there you seeing the damage that has been done to those walls.

For whatever reason it caused that. Let's go throw the hone through there. we'll see what it looks like and uh, maybe go from there. My thought is um maybe quick and dirty.

We'll throw it back back together and we see if um, the noise is still there if we can kind of identify anything. Just curiosity is getting me all right. let's go throw the hone through there little bit of oil. All right, let's see what we got.

You could definitely see where all the that looks like metal actually like folded over on itself right there. right where those heavy scratches were less light. yeah she's pretty hammered top of it. the top of the board.

that's pretty ugly and definitely my guess is maybe it had a bunch of rust in it or something at one point and then it would just got fired up and it kind of maybe chewed itself up. but still that the knocking sound is got me a little on the Curious part. All right. So I'm going to go take some time.
probably going to, uh, go quickly through it and not going to film all the little bits of it and we'll get her knocked out put back together. Got anything intricate I'm going to show is putting the cam and counterbalance shaft in it. So there is a there's a set of dots, one right there and one on the cam. lifter's already in.

We're go try to line them up, not even close that it. That's that one. Then we have the counterbalance shaft which is over here and then the other gear has another mark on it and we're going to do our best to go align them up cuz this weight counterbalances that weight. Essentially a little bit more detail than that, but takes some of the vibration out.

So we're going to go line those dots up off a tooth. There you go. Now those are lined up. I'm going to leave the I'm going to leave this out.

Probably going to punch this right out of here. This when you over RB an engine. Generally what happens is this plastic gear and the weights. It's too much velocity on this, blows apart, then all these pieces go around and take out the rest of the engine.

So on an ungoverned engine, that's probably the best one best thing to remove. So I'll take the center of that out, the clip out, and uh, continue to reassemble that I don't know how much more like I said. I'm going to show you I'm kind of trying to knock this out and it's like third oil change. All right, all kind of set to fire it up.

got an operating choke, this is the throttle and I I just have it spring loaded to idle for obvious reasons. Let it R away. we don't have a kill switch. let's go run the stop screw in a little bit.

It's a little on the higher side. we can kind of back it off, but that should help us get it going. We have a fuel fuel line connected to the side which I have uh fed I have another feed bottle down behind to kind of keep her going anything else I don't I just don't have the airbox off. so I have the original carburetor, original muffler on it just for noise uh, cancelling reasons filled with oil I think we are good to go.

let's kind of backy up and give her a fire see what she does? Oh, just include here's the governor totally removed from it pretty much just took a punch, punched it out of the side cover and then took some silicone and filled the hole that was in the block. All right, see what we get quiet, you can rev it up I'm put you back in the Ste I was trying. The car must be on the dirty side because it doesn't want to, uh, run without the choke on it. That's okay, we're just trying to see what the engine's doing.

so far. it's quiet. let's do a refill, right? Yeah, it's got no Idol circuit. That's all right.

Don't grab that. the bench is rattling a little bit but I don't hear any knocking in the engine. a it didn't smoke, just got her Blow by not terrible that be, you got me I got to let it run so it runs out of fuel. Going to gather my thoughts so um, perplexed I don't know if I missed something I said the only thing that things that are really different but it was doing it before too and we put the same components on the other engine and it doesn't do it which is going to be the air cleaner I mean the uh uh exhaust and the uh carburetor setup that we have on this engine but this engine made no noise with those two pieces so that's the only I can see that being a little different between the two of them.
uh and that we have the governor system ripped out of it and the smoke and the noise is not there I don't know if something was out of whack and it got put back together correctly when it put back together I didn't see anything I don't know if I missed it in video I don't know you guys may have seen it when I You know, sometimes the camera picks up things that I don't pick up I had put any sealing or any of the gaskets or anything I just literally just bolted everything to B back together I didn't even uh, torque the cylinder head down or nothing. Nothing just kind of ran it down with the uh, the impact lightly. but seeing what that boore looked like on the inside H You know its longevity is kind of questionable, but I think we're going to go continue with the engine that we have on there. We got a that that was a new carburetor but that carburetor has got issues to it so we'll reconvene on this project by itself.

but the engine was just something that was really had me. It still has me kind of perplexed to what happened to it. if you want, if you saw something in the video or something that I missed or I don't know and uh, this engine was actually kind of noisy I think before we even changed some of the components on it I think it was already a little noisy and it was getting louder as it ran. The only thing we did see was that little Mark on the push rod that kind of went around possibly that was tinking on it when I took it back when I put it back together together.

Maybe that push rod was not interfering with that plate anymore. Let's pop that valve cover off real quick. grab a light not sure going to get you in you can think of like cuz this plate. we ended up getting loose and this is the push rod underneath it if that gap of the push rod.

we're showing this one on the on the intake but I think it was the exhaust that was touching. you know when it's moving. possibly that the the push rod was making contact with that plate and making a noise and we took it apart and put it back together. It decided not to do that.

That's the only thing I see other than that it's a mystery. all right guys. I'm going to go sign off. thanks for hanging out with me having a little bit of fun and uh, you know, just playing with a little junk and see what makes it tick and literally tick.

till then I'll see you later. Got got to rev up a little bit.

By Mustie

13 thoughts on “Why did engine knock? i’ve never seen this before. can we fix it?”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @williambutler2477 says:

    A pressure washer motor with no air filter?

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @tolbaszy8067 says:

    The knock sounded more like heavy metal than the push rod. You have the "touch"! Just your fondling the parts soothed them into compliance! Thanks for sharing, but your content is getting too risque for Sunday morning!

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @twocvbloke says:

    Whatever was causing the noise, I have no clue, other comments seem to hint at the balance thingy being off a tooth, but I've never experienced an engine with one fitted, so I wouldn't know, but one thing's for sure, that piston & bore is pooched, definitely an engine to just eff around with and go 'til she blows… ๐Ÿ™‚

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @jlucasound says:

    Mustie! That is the problem with "Clones"! Anything can go "Baahahd". (Dolly the Sheep).

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @jerryleejohnsonjr1377 says:

    decompression valve sticking? The smoke was unburnt fuel?

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @janpersson9227 says:

    Very interesting. Watching from Sweden.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @gerryh1746 says:

    The only thing I noticed was in the extra clip at the end the motor was not smoking like in the previous clips.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @jlucasound says:

    This engine is what you find on the curb outside MUSTIE'S Yard. ๐Ÿ˜‚

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @philippe165 says:

    Do you think the engine was opened before and the notches on the counter shaft weren't lined up properly? That would destabilise the whole engine causing damage and locking noises.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @kenmiller5954 says:

    the decompression valve might have been out of line and causing problems . and the counter balance could of been off . the cylinder looks like it sat and the piston was stuck to the wall and when it was pulled over without lube it scored the walls . do not think it will last long without a good bore and new rings . it is a knock off so it could of been wrong from new

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @mjmcomputers says:

    I think the noise was piston slap. When the rings were hitting that rusty spot on the cylinder it would kick the piston over and cause the skirt to slap the cylinder every rotation. When you honed the cylinder it smoothed that spot out causing it to not happen anymore and fixed the oil burning.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @stefanandersson5604 says:

    Thanks for a very good video, educating!๐Ÿ˜Š

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @bobfromtheband1 says:

    I was thinking, The push rod is made of tougher material than that keep plate and the damage is quite prominent on the push rod but no damage is showing on the keep plate. The amount of damage on the push rod would have warn the keep plate into an oval on the damage side, so, I don't think the keep plat has anything to do with the push rod damage. Just a thought.

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