l picked up this old engine powered marine/fire pump from an estate sale a while ago and its been sitting on a shelf until now, lets see if it has any life left in it.

Hey guys and how's it going hey. This is a marine pump that i grabbed from a estate sale all about two years ago or so and since then it has been stuffed up in the attic and i have not done anything with it and i really haven't. Looked at it all that much, neither so i think it would go, drag it down, we'll see what kind of condition it's in so you can get the run see if we can figure out uh if it doesn't run what it failed for. I just have no history on it.

I don't know if you have a date on it anywhere. My guess it's like when in a boat started taking on water, they probably put this on the boat and would have it pump the water down. If i had a guest for a year or two i'd probably say 30s find out probably a little bit later, what do you guys be answering? Is red coast guard any paintings red? You would think. If that was a case, you would have some kind of tag on it saying coast guard anyway, let's get into it, we'll try to figure out uh what condition is going to assess that part of it? I do see some it's like overheating on the cylinder head here and i'm guessing water pump.

It looks like these copper lines that go into it. It probably runs around some kind of cooling for the cylinder and runs back out again, and i do think there is some kind of brass tag down here. That might tell us something. So let's go get some uh kerosene in a brush, we'll scuff this up.

A little bit see if there's anything written down there get us, maybe a little bit better education. That's what we get. I might not say anything. Hopefully that's not paper.

You dissolved it. That's brass. Unfortunately, it looks like a lot of the writing is gone. Looks like it might have just been printed on it.

I see something right here, my guess it would probably be operating instructions. I guess we're just going to have to go and wing it yeah. This came from the same source for my old-time viewers. We had a marine engine would have been the actual engine for the boat that powered it either a sailboat or some kind of little skiff or something they had a tag on it said lovingly restored for a museum.

I'll show you it's right behind us. It is that one right there, everyone remembers that one. I think that was like 1929. I think we found the year for it.

Anyway. It looks pretty on the outside. When we got into it, the cylinder was really corroded. It was missing a ring and a bunch of other stuff was very hard to make compression.

We got to run, but it never ran. Well, hopefully, we have a little bit better luck with this one, but uh anything goes right, especially once you know the history of one piece that you got that's supposed to be known, good, that this could be anything. Carb looks like it's loose, i'm not sure what we have for different controls on it and these figures fixed. So you probably just kind of set the throttle to whatever load that the pump is on it and let it run.

I don't know if anything is supposed to be there or not or if that's just open to draw air in. We have something here. You think that is with that. Let in or let out where's the exhaust the exhaust probably blows, maybe down at the bottom yeah.
I think we have a plug under there and maybe a magneto under here. Let's go get this off and we'll start getting some of the covers off and take a better look at. What's the internals, it looks like something maybe wrote instructions on a piece of paper here too, that's long since worn off, not that funky all right. What are we missing battery? What would go there? It's got magnetos down here.

I don't know what that would be. My guess is a battery huh. I wonder if we're going to need that for spark that would suck let's see what we got for. You got a plug under here we got valves, we got both two spark plugs.

They all look all cruddy, that's a good sign. All right, i still don't even know if this is a two stroke or a four stroker, it might be, have flathead valves on. Let's go pop, those plugs out. I think it's a two-cylinder, it might be a two-cylinder huh.

I was kind of thinking like old motorcycle runs two plugs, but now that we can kind of see the the sides here, it actually looks like it's, maybe a twin cylinder that one's already loose, let's go, give her a little spin sounds a little clunky. Let's go grab a light: we're gon na go shine down inside there and take a peek. Well, that's just weird, looking that's like a big valve. So if we set the light on there and give her a little, it's like a piston, but it's coming way up out of the seat.

That's weird, i know it is the piston is down lower. You see it. The piston is lower on the side and that's like a domed, it's probably gon na be a two-stroke yeah. It's got no uh valves in it.

Well, at least it turns over smooth. The board is not looking terrible. I don't see anything down inside there. That's standing out at us, we got some.

We got a mouse nest in there. Let's go pop the side of that off and take a look at from that direction. We'll get this out of here, i'm guessing the exhaust we come out of there and our intake is our carb, so the intake is coming into the bottom of the crankcase puffs around and goes to the top - and i guess get some exhaust on that. Let's go find out looking real quick, we got these four, but i also have two double x: actually balance like it's missing the nut: let's go get that one out of there and then those four actually i'm gon na.

Take this all as one piece it looks like probably the better way to get it off. It's got a copper cooling line on it. Let's get that out. There's our critter-ness yeah, just water jacket going around give me some tiny cylinders.

Huh just get some water jackets and see the pistons are probably about half dollar size. Maybe each all right, let's go! Actually. We can see the side of the pistons good, give ourselves illumination break on the ring. Hopefully that's not a broken ring.
It's just a break on the ring. Let's uh yeah see just the exhaust, where it puffs out the side huh. Could you set up and stand a little bit, we'll turn that over take a quick, peek huh? You say yes right around the same genre as that. Other engine - hopefully that's not a break in the ring - that's just the end of the gap right there.

What do you say we throw some oil in there and uh? Maybe we'll give her a spin just for a chance to possibly have spark. What we should do is also disconnect the uh coupler for the water pump. Just so we're not spinning that while it's dry, so how would that exhaust work? Why would you have exhaust come out? What's the purpose of this and then also have it where it goes down into the bottom of the the bottom of it all right here, we'll just take a quick peek here, flip it let's go flip it on its belly, real quick before we start checking for Spark, i would think part of the bottom would be like a fuel tank too, wouldn't ya kind of like those old washing machine motors. I don't think so.

That would just look like all this is that cavity and the exhaust goes in there. All this is just a cavity for exhaust and dribbled out. There maybe has another hose. Maybe if it's permanent mounted, you run it like that.

I'm not sure ain't, no gas tank. Neither huh i can just go. Take that pump right off. It's only got four bolts and another cooling line going to it and we'll let it survive that is five days.

So i got some kind of information tag on it at one point piece of wire hanging on it: hey the bolts out of it. Let's see if it'll just slide back for us, yeah don't even have to hit it with a hammer just threaten it got shims under it. I should mark where those are all right. Remember the left's around the left, all right! It's on the right! That's going to be for alignment for that puck, but these have some adjustment in them.

Let's get rid of that and i want to get some oil on the top end and on the bottom end so see if we can get uh, probably some two stroke oil be our best or do that you get carbs just sitting on there or it has A fuel line where's the fuel line going over to right here. Let's see, can we take that i want to get into the the bottom side of it to shoot a little bit of oil in it like a penetrating oil or something just so the you know the crank has some kind of moisture down in there there we Go let's see if that line will come out okay, and that was like that. Put that to the side, we'll look at that later, not much to it huh. I wonder one way: it's like a choke in one way is a throttle, see let's go see.

What's in the hole, just big ol, shiny metal, that's good, at least it's not rusty. Let's go throw a little bit of spray or something in there. Gon na wet things. A little watch, your foot, i just kicked you you had it coming and we're the somewhere.
I got two-stroke. This is just straight two-stroke oil. Let's go put a little bit in each one of those, let that kind of go around the rings and we'll just kind of let it roll it over. I'm going to try getting us a socket set up, we'll spin, it put those plugs back on there, we'll see if we can spark out of those.

I have a feeling that kind of needs some battery whatever that thing was on. The other side is my guess, but before we start digging into that, of course just go check funny if we do that, it's not needed, so the rope will lock in like that. So we've got to go clockwise, let's go to slow speed, which sounds kind of cool. Being a two two cylinder honestly did not expect that, let's uh all right, let's go get some plugs on her hey.

Well, i don't think we're getting anything without a power supply, but let's just give her a shot. Oh no way. I did not expect that awesome all right. You know what that means right.

I think i'm just going to throw the plugs in it. Real, quick. Just to feel what it has for compression, i wonder what the that copper setup is for. On the other side, i wonder maybe spare spark plugs.

You said in there being a two-stroke that maybe would foul out, let's go just throw some plugs in there, we'll see how it feels compression wise feels pretty good. I'm liking this one better than the that green one. Let's go, keep the plugs sitting. Now they don't fit in that hole.

I don't know what would have went in there. We're not gon na worry about that right. Now, let's go get some gas, we'll dribble a little bit in each cylinder, we'll see if she'll cough over for us a little few. A little for you, i really didn't think i was gon na, have spark.

I think we got a timing adjustment on our right hand, side here that tab sitting over the top of the magneto. It might be that or it might just be a ground see if it does anything yeah yeah, we can advance and it let's leave it straight up and down see if it breaks my arm back you up a little bit in case fire shoots out of the Cylinders you want to catch it right see. We get good, i'm happy for that huh, let's suck that down actually pop the flywheel off and take a quick peek inside, let's see what it's got for goodies being marine stuff generally. That stuff is built much better than regular, because it's meant to handle some harsher conditions.

Dual set of points, a couple of big coils: let's go bring that to the edge huh. Oh, that stuff's, pretty good too we're going to have to clean those. And what does it? How do you kill it? Is there a gr like what kills spark? You think you just knocked the timing or maybe shut the fuel off, how much movement does it have you know all this is probably written on here at one time. It's just gone doesn't say it anymore all right, so let me go pop that all back together we'll go.
Take a peek at that card, see we can do as far as that's concerned. Actually, i think we're going to do it. I think a few minutes i'm going to go clean a bunch of stuff up. I want you to find a date anywhere on it, maybe somewhere and all this stuff there's something going on or something we can at least look up.

I will go take that time to go, give her a bath and i'll bring you right back, that's a little better. I feel like somebody scribed into it here. Plantation 21 got a couple of uh patent numbers. I still don't see any dates on it anywhere.

Another number here got a copyright on the on the flywheel, the pacific pumper, and i do think it was military military. It was uh, probably coast, guard or uh, because generally they label them and it looks like something was, you know scratched out from what was there before something was written there that got removed, like maybe a property identification number or something and either somebody swiped it or It got sold and removed, it just doesn't look normal. Does it again the red color too? I think that has something to do with it. Not quite sure it looks like the original color was brown and red was painted over.

It could be just a primer or possibly even like a a glue between the two of them see it. There see it there, so i got that first number looked up. He is coming out to may 18th. 1926..

That's the date on that one, i'm not quite sure what it is for. Is it this just that casing on the button, i'm sure there's way to go. Uh look more information up on other than the date, but that kind of gets this in the realm of what it is. I think these are uh just later on, so whatever that last one is that that 204, it's probably gon na, be a later date, and it should be the get as closest to the window what the year the machine is, and the bottom one is june.

23Rd. 1936, so we'll probably date it around that time. Late 30s we'll call it apparently there's one for sale on ebay for 500 bucks, but i'm still trying to find pictures, possibly figuring out what is supposed to be now, i'm kind of wondering. Maybe you would have the the pull start.

Rope of some sort was stored. There just seems like something would have easy access to it right. I don't know about trying to go. Do that when it's running and vibrating around to try to go put it back in its place, but that's the only thing i can think of at the moment and it's missing the fuel tank.

I guess everybody's missing the fuel tank. A little square tank wasn't very big but uh i'm going to keep hunting see if i can find any more information on it, power, the internet, yeah, that's a pull start handle with a rope going around it and it just kind of popped into place right inside There who just dunked, let's go, take a peek in that carb, real, quick, it's actually not a car where they call me uh mixer. I think it should be our floopole and remember that fuel line was pointing roughly at that screw to the left of the screw. See if that'll release something does that come out now? I think that would be either an air fuel mix or a fuel probably should have counted.
How far out that was right, too late now, oh hold that float in there kind of want to see the bottom of that. You know, i guess, as long as it chokes off the supply coming in, which was what this right here right and it's got it's like a screen on the bottom of it. Let's give her a little it's clear. So if you would come in float would lift up and shut off the fuel.

I would guess: let's see, if that's the case yeah so pushes the fuel up lifts the float shuts the fuel off, and i would guess that it's going to trickle a certain amount through what we adjust here and then this it's got a detent in the middle And it flips over the other way, because i'm writing on it. It's got a like a zero. I think that says ll and slow. It's gon na looks like an s.

F, that's what that is, and the bottom one is c choke, maybe slow me full throttle and that's choke. It's just a guess of my part. Keep digging see if we get that off of there without doing any damage. Does any gaskets that we're going to kill.

I think our screwdriver is a little too large, my tool's too big hate. When that happens, nothing bragging or anything. Let's try this one yeah, they call them. Was it a mixer and something else, another name for uh, pre-store carbs.

Sometimes the best way to understand something is to take it apart. Oh yeah, you know something just fell somewhere. I heard it got a copper. Is that, like a thrust washer on the back side of it, i think that's probably what it is.

I think it's probably a choke and then so slow blocks a lot of it off full, i'm guessing s f and then c. It looks like a c right. You agree with me c f and s. It looks like we got one more jet going up in that way, so i got a screw hole to take that out with ethernet.

It does not all right so we'll leave that alone. It looks pretty clean too. I don't think it's much of an issue with it. I don't think they had a ethanol fuel back there back.

Then. I think we just kind of put it back together. Do you about even count? How many turns out that was right? I guess we're gon na have to poke and hope, so i guess we line that up to the jet get past it not really anything to clean. I might throw a little bit of carb clean and leave it alone, just in case it's something that does not like uh chemicals other than gas, i'm just going to blow it out.

Suppress there. I see a little bit of debris, probably from taking the cover off. It doesn't look bad. I will wash some stuff through here, though we can clean that out.

Do i have anything here? No, i know pretty simple: it blows a cloud of dust out definitely put away halfway, decent okay, like that yeah, and we said roughly somewhere in that vicinity right, adjust it later make sure that that doesn't leak. It does not it's good. I did a little bit more searching and i found it is used on fire truck fire apparatus or fire suppression. Here's the actual pump.
I guess it went on a a one and a half ton truck there's another picture of it somewhere there. It is with all the gear there's all the gear. This is sound the door. I can't read it it just an article explaining all the stuff on the truck, how it's packed, there's the pump right there and four or 500 gallon water tank was on top of it.

Well, here's that truck you think late 30s. It's trying to come up with something that we can hook in the drill, and so when the engine starts up, it doesn't want to go spin, the nut back off. So i have this palm ratchet and it looks like it has a one of those torx bits. Type sockets that go in and then quarter inch drive on the other end go into an adapter.

I don't know if this is going to be tough enough to hold up if it's going to be able to take the load or not. Let's give that a shot for trying to spin it over i'm going to use rope too, but i'm sore you can find a bit for that that'll fit in there and then put it in the chuck of the drill and see how it works. Let's see if it just fights through the compression, you need to put the drill on drill that should do. It might want to clamp it down, though huh maybe little specialty clamps.

They just got studs welded to the bottom of them. That can kind of go in the locating holes and not slip off the end of it and give it a better bite. We'll go for one there and one there. So that's gon na be our setup.

We got a ladder with a piece of fuel line on it. We're just gon na fill that up with fuel actually run into the car, it's uh about 25 or 30 to one mix. Usually i think these things ran at like 16 to 1 using motor oil. I got two stroke oil in there now so we'll see how that works for it, i'm gon na run it without the muffler.

I guess you want to call it chamber off of it and we're not running any coolant in it anyway for uh, it shouldn't be a problem for a short period of time. Do we get drink up my little friend good for you, oops or over excited there? I think i need that push the little float thing. I tickle the float on the carb on the mixer. Let it draw some in i'll leave it right there.

Let's try it like that. It's gon na be just a guess where things go, so, let's go for. Let's go for the s, i think we should probably now, let's go on the choke tommy i'm gon na leave the timing straight up and down that's the window. It has to work, but let's go see what we get.

We are dripping fuel pump. Some through. I missed it. It used all that fuel up did it it's not a very big supply.

The size of a line is really thin. Let's see if we get still kind of burping some try it again. It still spun that nut off. I'm surprised locked on me.
That's why then yeah, let's uh do that we killed it and it should not be locked both directions, and you know what it is. It doesn't matter because the only thing that spins free is that not the uh, the fitting on the other side that sucks it's just a forward in reverse. I was hoping that it was going to spin free for us. Let's lock both directions - yeah! Oh well! Maybe that's why it died.

It might have knocked the mag off. Let's be quick on the draw yeah. Let's go, we took it off at jokes, put it back on joke! Hmm! That was a tad loud huh. I don't want to go screw with it.

I guess we're killing spark it's supposed to be a metal tab that comes off of here. It touches across these screws that went screaming, though i don't want to get my hand in there. I think he's supposed to run at 4. 500 rpm is what i saw.

Uh, i think we need a pump on the other end of it to cause drag on it also, and then, when you have that you can probably just dial some stuff in but yeah as soon as i went off of uh. So that was what full speed. I mean we should have flipped it up too slow. You know yeah, she runs clean.

I filled up the fuel line again, give it a little tickle, it's probably like a prime for it. Let's see what we get. You know that nut loosens up. That does not help to sit up at at all.

Let's go just leave it on slow, see if we'll fire on slow. If not, we have to choke it. We'll put that timing right up, i'm guessing that's zero! Let's go for choke! Okay! They didn't screw up anything in the mag and we're dripping fuel out. It's going slow bump the timing.

A little sounds about right right. There huh, let's give her a little bit more gas. Try to get the putt might be flooded. I think she's flooded pop them out we'll get them looking kind of so i did throw a bunch of oil in that bottom end too, and then the plug holes, yeah yeah, one cylinder - is wet ones, not that's, probably the one that was firing, the one that's Wet as foul go clean them out blow that out and try to give another shot.

I would give them a little spin see if they still got spark on both of them. Oh yeah, okay, good, oops! Well guys, i've had the fun that i want to go play with this evening. It's getting late, so i'm going to go kind of wrap it up, but she does fire up and does run. We haven't gotten into the water pump part of it yet, but that's probably an animal in itself, too.

Something looks like uh. It's like it runs like a blower inside there gears i'm sure this should probably be serviced and gone through too yeah. There's some there's some rat poison going going around in it little good green pellets. I think i saw a piece fall out earlier too, got grease caps to run in not sure what this is here, maybe just like a double set of gears that run the top and the bottom hard to say, but that would probably be for another time as Uh, it's still kind of cold weather.
Here we still got freezing weather, so i don't have any the kind of apparatus down. I got a 55 gallon drum. I use for outboards up in the attic that i have to take now put water inside that and i don't have anything for hose connections or hoses or anything to be able to do that part of it. So we may or may not see this again uh.

It may be a while off and i may just if i'm able to find some stuff. I may continue on it the next couple of days, but that's just a guess right now, so for now i've had enough fun with it. I hope you guys enjoyed it. I did get a little bit of education.

What this thing is, as i said, it's been sitting up there for a few years, so i always want to take it down just get an idea of what i had and whether it was a runnable condition or not. So with that guys, i'm gon na go sign off and thank you all for hanging out with me have a little bit of fun and we'll do it again sometime until the next one i'll see you bye. Well, you think i was gon na try and rope start it exactly good throttle control, though, is there so? Oh there's a phone there. Oh, is it right there behind the tarp? No it's bigger than i remember.

I think i helped you cover it. No, you looked at it, oh, but uh. Well, it's got a little briggs or something on it yeah. So it probably needs new points.

Would you rope started or does have electric start? No, it's a rope. It's a beast of a rear. Let's see whole things. You.


By Mustie

14 thoughts on “WILL IT RUN? 83 Year old Antique Marine Pump.”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Big Steve says:

    You got some guys telling you it's a forestry service water pump, mabe for fire fighting. But if it was identified as a "marine" pump. I wondered if it might also have been used on boats. For marine fires, or just transferring water?

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nicholas Valentine says:

    The earliest form of fuel air mixers for petrol engines were called vaporisers (vaporizers US).

    Some did not have jets like modern carbs, they rellied on fuel being present on a surface and evaporating as air passed over.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bill Sartelle says:

    The reason there is no governor is that the engine is throttled against the water pressure load which is supposed to be constant according to the laws of physics. Thar maintains the engine at a fairly constant speed.
    I want to see the pump internals, water pumps fascinate me.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars zach wiseman says:

    Could also be from a fire department boat. I work marine construction and we have a old fire boat for a tugboat and it has a similar pump still in it but ours is from the late 80s

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars zach wiseman says:

    I am late to seeing this one but all the marine pumps I use have a handle with a disk on the end that you close off the exhaust with to bring the pressure of the pump up to help the priming. The lever over the hole is probably the same idea just from a long time ago.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars NastyN8tE says:

    I'm curious if it would help getting it to run at idle if the exhaust was put back on. The adjustable port on top of the exhaust I'm wondering if that is to add back pressure to the exhaust.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matthew Murrian says:

    Red might just be color coding for damage-control/fire fighting equipment. Ships do things like that (color code the various systems; potable water, waste water, hydraulics, etc.)

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars northernKaizer says:

    @Mustie1 there is an attachment you can purchase for just what you do with the drill start and they run about 15 bucks i think for you it would be a worthy addition to your tool kit

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars marcijunebug says:

    I'm behind in videos but catching up today and wondered if this had come from the same "loving restored" estate sale! I grabbed an old maytag at a yard sale last week for $20 and felt like I found a pot of gold! lol…man to have the truck That was on!

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mark Phillips says:

    Well I for one I’m going to stop watching these. You never really finish the project and put it to good use or put it back together most of them end up going in the junk keep this one right now you jump from the motor running to some girl on a motorcycle on the back of a truck so I’m out goodbye

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John C says:

    "This" on the top of the exhaust manifold be a decompression valve ? Would the crest on the truck door, US FOREST SERVICE? Plantation ## where the pump is supposed to be located. When I first saw the pump my thought was 'forest fire' the crest/decal on the door kind of reinforced my thought. The equipment display beside the truck would be a deciding factor. Standard 1.5 inch pipe thread could work as hose couplings. Goggle Pacific Marine Supply a lot of companies of the same name, some selling pumps.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars george zeroles says:

    Hey MUSTIE 1, I just have one question, does your wife complain about the revving of the engines all day and into the night!!! watch your videos all he time, keep them coming! GEORGE ZEROLES, PHOENIX, ARIZONA

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars william miller says:

    i was watching your farmland tractor engine change you had a problem taking off the crankshaft pully it's a tapered fit the next time you run into this drill a hole through the side of the pully to the crankshaft (not where the key is)) tap and put a zerk fitting into it and pump grease into the fitting the
    the grease pressure will release the tapered fit this works for ALL stuck tapers sorry i'm 4 years late with this information

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jorge fernandez says:

    That was cool. The flywheel flying off was priceless. I think the reason the exhaust goes through the plate at the bottom of the pump is to keep it from freezing in cold weather. The tab at the top was probably for ease of starting and then you close it off.

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